president obama in that meeting apparently told them try and work something out. and reid left and made a statement last night, as did mcconnell, that they're going to try and work something out. the best-case scenario is that sometime tomorrow they are able to put it to the senate and then it quos to the house, and then there's a real bill that sounds like a compromise. it's not the grand bargain we were all looking for. it will be some kind of deal to stop going over the cliff. option two is what we're talking about here, that those two can't get a deal and they put something forward and everybody in the senate and subsequently hopefully in the house gets to say yea or no to it. you're on the record. if you go over the cliff, everybody know where is you stood in trying to prevent that from happening. >> do you think the average american, all of us, makes heads or tails -- >> no. >> -- out of what this impact will be on our wallets? >> no. first of all, it's stupid. it's stupid that we're here. there's been nothing that has happened economically that we've been a